Wayfarers of Veeshan

I'm currently laying the groundwork with my wife ("Please? oh please oh please oh please!?") and if it works, Dralia will be there.

The top level of Najena will be nice for a large group of teens, but I am a little afraid of the skeletons on that level...they're ~30th level.

Drex (aka Dralia)

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Drexxell , 71st GNecrOMancEr -- Wielder of ()
Druul , 60th Troll Shaman () + Wielder of and
Driss, 51st Dwarf Priestess of Brell Serilis
Dralia, 36th Erudite Enchantress

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Xandamir - 57th level Templar (Ranger Rezzor)
Perisai Troublemaker - 56th level Sacrificial OUTRIDER
Pulkaria - 54th level Beastlord (Furry Ranger)
Nealyn Prae - 43rd level Druid (Ranger Wannabe)
Calithe - 47th level bardling (Never wanted to be a ranger)
Nessah - 37th Level Ranger Mezzer

I have a level 22 rogue or so and id be more than happy to bring it over and help just let me now ill be on tonight and ill be on sunday id love to come and help yall. i have raid experience and would be happy to be an organizer if yall need it.





Tomana (The) Vavarian
Toeman (The) NO last name

Hehe thanks for the offer of help Toe. Your Rogue may be a bit high but we can possibly work that out with the groups when we make em. It's not really a RAID so to speak, just a little get together to get some exp for the lowbies and fun for all. Episk is new to the guild and he requested it so we responded

Peri

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Xandamir - 57th level Templar (Ranger Rezzor)
Perisai Troublemaker - 56th level Sacrificial OUTRIDER
Pulkaria - 54th level Beastlord (Furry Ranger)
Nealyn Prae - 43rd level Druid (Ranger Wannabe)
Calithe - 47th level bardling (Never wanted to be a ranger)
Nessah - 37th Level Ranger Mezzer

As someone who has never experienced a true "RAID", I'd like to put in a vote that we treat this a little bit like one...how are groups formed? how is communication done? how is the goal established and met?

Not that 20 of us running around Amok won't be fun by itself, but if we had a goal, and one person who was our "shut up and listen" sort of leader, I'd find it even more enjoyable. I've been in Najena many times with Drex, so know my way, but that doesn't make me a raid leader...would like someone with real experience, if anyone wants to take the lead and show us raid virgins how it's done.

Dralia

In the spirit of "put up or shut up", here are some goals I'd suggest for a mini-raid of Najena:

1) Get the Hilt of the Nobleman from the 30th level skellies, so that a paladin can do the Ghoulbane quest.

2) Get the Sapphire of Souls from Ekeros (25th level) for any monks doing their Red Sash (4th monk sash quest) [Means offing the Guard, levels 10-20, but shouldn't require other keys, if Ekeros pops far enough out of the jail area]

3) Get Magician focus items for our mages off of the various magicians (levels 9-24)

4) Get any Necromancers a (nodrop) Dark Circlet from Trazdon (25th level), or alternatively getting the Dark Circlet to a Warrior, as it is used in Crafted Armor quests later.

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Drexxell , 71st GNecrOMancEr -- Wielder of ()
Druul , 60th Troll Shaman () + Wielder of and
Driss, 51st Dwarf Priestess of Brell Serilis
Dralia, 36th Erudite Enchantress

On forming groups.

It's Much easier with a group of people that you know.. when you know their class and there skills and even their talents. However.. that's not always the case. Different situations sometimes need different group formations. However, as a fallback there is always the general formula that almost always works in any situation.

There should be a Main group.. the one group that will take the licking and keep on ticking. With that in mind, you don't want to cripple the other groups. So, think about it a bit and start with who will be the main tank. The main tank will USUALLY be a combination of highest level and best equipped. (I'm assuming you don't know everyone present intimately, because if you do, you KNOW who the best tank is). If a warrior is there at lvl 30 but wearing banded, you may want the lvl 17 SK wearing the 20kpp of gear to be the Main tank instead.
After you pick the main tank, the main healer is usually an obvious choice. and should be added to the group.
Next I think about it a bit, and try to balance the groups. The main group may want to have the main puller, to stay in better control. The puller will usually be someone very familiar with pulling, or one of the FD able classes if you aren't familiar with the zone.
So now you have your MT (main tank), Cleric, Puller in the main group. Often in a raid situation you need crowd control. What happens to the crowd control people INVARIABLY... they get hit by the mobs. What else is there to think about with crowd control people? They often need to be in close contact with the main tank. What mob next? ect.. so I like to put the crowd control person also in the main group.
Now we have the MT, Cleric, Puller, Crowd Control in the main group.

Now I start looking at who else is here and what other groups can be formed up. I like balance. The second group should also have a Tank, Healer, Crowd control if possible.

Third group same thing if you can. The healer may not be a cleric.. perhaps a druid or shaman. The tank may not be a warrior.. maybe an SK or Paladin. Obviously use what's available. Balance the groups as much as you can. If the Main group goes down.. can the second group take over the position and still have many poeple on the raid survive? That's the goal.

Ok.. many classes may be left out here.. you have more poeple <and NEED them> than MT, Healer, Puller, Crowd Control.. you also have the Damage Dealers. Mages, Rangers, Wizard, Rogues etcs.. spread the damage dealers out among the groups. Try to make all the groups pretty close to evenly powered, except make sure the Main Group is the strongest. They will take the most of the beating, and having one really strong group will help Everyone survive.

Ok.. I've left out tons I know. this was a quick response and I hope it helps.. it's some of how I think when i'm making groups on a raid. Note that I often change what I think or think differently when the situation calls for it.

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70 Bard, at your service
Elder, Wayfarer of Veeshan

Also, , , Irodanise (52 Pal), Irodanes (31 Rog), Iroardanis (19 BL), Sinadori (25 SK), Dreminal (32 Dru)

Thanks guys! Now we're getting somewhere. I was hoping to generate the type of discussion that Drexx and Iro started. It will be interesting as we devise and try RAIDing strategies. If there is any open space, we could try a true military tactic. Group 1, up front, infantry (meleers); Group 2, middle ground, artilery (casters); Group 3, rear, support (clerics) and field commander. Each line is divided into left, center, and right for attacking the enemy. Field commander talks on WoV channel and coordinates battle, moves forces, sees to it that injured are evac'ed. Another person in the back watches our flanks and rears. In confined spaces this works differently, but with the same general idea.

Question, is it kosher to get all buffed up by some higher ups before we head off(and I'm thinking of Kei, personally), or do we go in naked? Do we take one into the field with us encased is glass that we can break in case of emergency?

I appreciate Drexx's goal oriented approach. For my two cents, I need anything to increase Mana or Wis. I'm not that picky or high enough to need truly specialized items, but you would know better. I also have Crush's ringmail to donate to anyone who could benefit from it.

See you soon.

Episkopos

OK OK... as I started the thread, I have taken on the responsibility for the party. Yes we can have a goal, and I do... As for making groups, that will end up waiting til we are all there and RTG (obviously since we don't know who all is coming yet).

My goal was to work our way in and through the ogre guards area near the SKELETONS that drop the Pally Ghoulbane hilt, and onto the large entry room with the tentacle terrors. There is plenty of room for us all to spread out in there and plenty of areas to pull from. We can pull mages and try to get drops for them (shovel/broom/torch).

If and when this area gets easy/boring we can start to head elsewhere (i.e bone crackers room to get the next key) to continue the rampage.

PLease note everyone that Najena has PITS!!!!!!!! do not go straying off alone down the hall ways .... everyone please stick together or you will get lost, fall in a pit, get trapped in a cell etc etc etc.

when we go after bonecracker to get the next key I would like to do that a few times (depending on how many people/groups there are) so each group can get a key and possibly a few drops. Then we can try the whole basement area. Again it all depends on who all shows up and what levels we get.

Perisai/Miasai

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Xandamir - 57th level Templar (Ranger Rezzor)
Perisai Troublemaker - 56th level Sacrificial OUTRIDER
Pulkaria - 54th level Beastlord (Furry Ranger)
Nealyn Prae - 43rd level Druid (Ranger Wannabe)
Calithe - 47th level bardling (Never wanted to be a ranger)
Nessah - 37th Level Ranger Mezzer

WOOT!

Peri is an experienced raid leader and has done this before I look forward to her leadership and I'm sure we will have a blast!

As for me, look for Simetra to be there!
:spotparty:

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Kithrana Lifeweaver
Cleric of Tunare

It's not only kosher to get buffed up ahead of time, it's encouraged!

Howdy! Megrannon, 11 tankgirl here. Kyladriel, my main, has applied for membership and Alley suggested that Meg might be of some use to you!
Hope to see you there!

Kyladriel, 24 High Elf wizardess
Megrannon, 11 tankgirl

Ayup, the more the merrier

Peri and clan

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Xandamir - 57th level Templar (Ranger Rezzor)
Perisai Troublemaker - 56th level Sacrificial OUTRIDER
Pulkaria - 54th level Beastlord (Furry Ranger)
Nealyn Prae - 43rd level Druid (Ranger Wannabe)
Calithe - 47th level bardling (Never wanted to be a ranger)
Nessah - 37th Level Ranger Mezzer

Cheers for Miasi!

Excellent job of organization. Good company. Great fun. Decent experience. What more could we ask? :)

Thank you Miasi and congratulations to our award winners....i can't remember their names...oh how embarrassing

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<B>Xindu - Level 61 Rogue</B>